Monday, October 1, 2007

The WalMartization of Liberty

OCCASIONAL RANTINGS OF AN ANGRY ARM CHAIR ACTIVIST
For some reason I’ve been fascinated by democracy for as long as I can remember. Democracy is one, and probably the only, ‘ism’ that I believe in. Yeah OK I know its not an ism 'ism' but you know what I mean. I don’t ‘believe’ in it in the sense of the Neocons who would take democracy to everyone at the point of a sword or (to use a contemporary metaphor) the multiple, deadly tips of a cluster bomb. But in the sense of believing that it is the best system of governance available and given a chance, over time, has a real power to transform societies into better versions of themselves. And since democracy is one of the few things I consider sacred, I’ve watched with extreme frustration and deepening anger as the system in the US has been subverted steadily over the last few years. By the very people who profess to want to spread it across the world.

Over the last few years, so many freedoms and rights taken for granted for decades have been taken away/given up so easily. Suspension of habeas corpus, removal of the protection from institutional torture and randomly mandated virtually no-holds-barred surveillance of private citizens, are a few of the more egregious examples of the infringement of civil liberties by the Bush Administration. The administration has successfully defined the debate on collective safety vs. personal freedoms in terms of a Walmart-like “Always Low Prices” approach. The price in this case being civilian fatalities caused by terrorist acts. After 9/11 the Administration sold the American public on a promise to keep fatalities low as long as it was given a relatively free hand in dealing with the terrorists. And for a long time no one dared ask whether that was necessarily the right metric to aim for. Nor did many people bother to dig up and read the caveat emptor clause that came with the promise of safety. Even now few people seem to be able to do so with the 20/20 vision that should cause them to raise a rip-roaring ruckus.

Walmart’s always-low-priced flat-screen TVs came with several hidden costs – falling quality standards, job losses, and worsening working conditions and protections for its non-unionized workers (The company at one point considered reducing health care costs by making obese workers who were at a higher health risk, leave the company voluntarily by deliberately giving them tasks that were difficult for them to do). While the costs of Walmart’s business model took a couple of decades to become clear, those of Bush’s approach became apparent within a few years – perhaps reflecting how egregiously high the hidden costs are: Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, loss of America’s credibility as a leader on human rights issues, increased spying on own citizens, renditions of non-citizens to countries that then merrily tortured them…

The erosion of civil liberties has continued even after the Republicans lost last year’s elections. And the reason it has continued, I believe, is because of the Bourne Ultimatum Syndrome. Don’t get me wrong – I liked the movie a lot and applaud its motives. Its makers seem to have a better grasp of whats involved in preserving a democracy than the Bush Administration. (Now there's a scary thought) The lost freedoms the film picked to highlight included surveillance of private citizens to a degree that would have made Orwell proud, and the loss of the protections against the use of torture. However, it did so in a rather round-about way. Its central argument really is that it is unacceptable for the government to kill American citizens suspected of being terrorists without due process of law. I think it was a clever choice of issues because that is a relatively black-and-white issue for most Americans – at least on an intellectual level. If polled, I'm pretty sure most Americans would oppose it. Whereas if they were asked if torturing terrorists to get information is OK, I think the poll results are likely to be less predictably on the film-makers’ side. So instead of condemning torture (epitomized by Matt Damon being water-boarded during his training) and Big Brother-esque surveillance directly, the makers tried to stigmatize both by associating them with the bad guys (‘overzealous’ CIA operatives) who were killing American citizens (not foreign residents, please note, since that also doesn’t inspire sufficient outrage in the US these days).

While the film-makers’ collective heart is in the right place, their circuitous approach, I believe, is partly responsible for the neocons’ ability to continue their war on civil liberties. The Bush administration has taken a clear, consistent stand that infringements on some freedoms are necessary to make sure that America doesn’t lose any more civilian lives. The response of the liberal left has been to say that these infringements are not good because they don't make Americans safer. That they don't work. In fact, it’s the Left’s argument that has not worked...because the Doesn’t-Work argument isn’t backed by real conviction.

Take the torture issue for example. Its just not sufficient to say we shouldn’t torture because torture is ineffective in extracting truthful information from terrorists. Even a lefty liberal like me can’t help thinking that sometimes you might actually get right information from torturing a terrorist and might in fact save some lives. Most democracies (at least officially) outlaw torture not because its ineffective, but because its just plain wrong. And we need leaders who have the clarity of vision and courage of conviction to put it as simply as that. Because, as the Economist said a couple of issues back, society would over time become inured to the use of torture (or enhanced interrogation methods in Bush-speak) – and then slalom down a slippery slope where using torture in other contexts and against an increasing number of people would seem sensible – why not also torture a paedophile suspected of kidnapping and holding a child in a secret place to find out its location?

The fact is, the real metric for measuring victory against the terrorists should be America’s and other democratic societies’ ability to retain their way of life, and the rights and freedoms that their citizens have won for themselves over the ages. Not how many civilians and soldiers die protecting it. Democratic freedoms are too valuable, for those who want them and those who would take them away, to be gained or retained at discounted prices. Ask the scores of Romanians who died trying to overthrow Ceaucescu and succeeded. Or the Burmese who failed in 1988 because 3000 lives was as high a price as they were willing to pay.

The Economist, in the same issue where it so wonderfully articulated its stand against torture, said it best:

“Dozens of plots may have been foiled and thousands of lives saved as a result of some of the unsavoury practices now being employed in the name of fighting terrorism. Dropping such practices in order to preserve freedom may cost many lives. So be it.”

Amen.

14 comments:

U Chandra K said...

Amen!!!

very inspiring thoughts...

well atleast the writers block is over now....

keep'em coming...

ancient clown said...

Blessings:

Please don't take anything I'm saying personally, because I really liked your article. It's funny, because I've always referred to "Democracy" as demon-hypocrite, especially in the United States, where minorities are denied and discounted in the election process...and the 'electronic counters' already have preprogrammed numbers...like they started using in Canada to elect BUSH friendly Prime Ministers, like Stephen Harper.
Demon-hypocrite that lives in LIES and PROPAGANDA. Only Americans think that America is any kind of Human Rights Leader, most others see the TRUTH.
There was no terrorist attack, other than was launched by the United States Government after THEY blew up their OWN towers...as an EXCUSE to fear monger, fulfill false prophecy, implement RIGHT-STEALING SECURITY measures, murder people there and abroad, mostly innocent and POOR, women and children.
This DEMON-Hypocrite has sought to MURDER Castro some "how many hundred times" without any success or repercussions? The American people have just let them, like it's their right to do.
If you are still paying your taxes, you are financing murderers.
If you are still using oil and gas, you are supporting murderers.
If you have a bank account, you are funding slavery, murder, exploitation and backing the people who are TRULY responsible for the assassination of TWO U.S. Presidents(Lincoln & Kennedy)... ...because they made an "interest free and dept free currency". Most Americans are STILL unaware that Kennedy made his own money, just like Lincoln. That Lyndon Johnson had it destroyed the DAY AFTER his assassination. Just like Lincolns money was pulled from circulation after his assassination.
There was a DEEPER reason Jesus was crucified, only AFTER he tips the tables of the "Money-Changers".
FEAR & GREED are the two underlying factors used in making decisions of this and most other "isms".
We are who we follow, and I shall NOT walk with Liars, Murderers & Thieves...Jesus taught to LOVE our enemies because it allows us ALL to grow through our mistakes and makes EVERYONE stronger.
After all, most pedophiles were themselves abused as kids...so should we just start killing the children after they get abused to prevent that from happening again.
MOST governments, the world over supply children to foreign dignitaries as sexual slaves.
Why do you think they will trace a credit card to the one buying the child-porn, but not back to the one collecting the money and making the child-porn? Doesn't seem to me like they really want to protect our children...just exploit them, enslave them. Calvin Kline ads are a GREAT example of this.
Anyway, I feel I'm rambling now, so I'll get off my soapbox and thank you kindly for sharing and allowing the sharing of thoughts.
your humble servant,
ancient clown

Anonymous said...

Walmart's model is based on externalizing their costs so that a larger group of people, who may or may not use Walmart, pay the price for keeping their costs/prices low. This is the primary critique of Walmart.

In the bush's administration case, the people paying the price (lower freedoms) are the very people who are being protected - ie, they are paying the price for the "service" the govt renders; viz. keeping them safe.

The debate therefore SHOULD be centered around whether torture is effective or not; i.e, whether the "price" we are paying to stay safe is too high or worth it.

The non-violent or "what separates us from them is our morals" approach only works when your enemy has a conscience.

Liberals like you argue that all Life is equally valuable, that torture is not justified by any means. In fact, YOU are the ones who are walmartizing American lives, by asking for thousands of people to pay the price for saving a few terrorists' lives. If all lives are equally valuable, then saving the lives of thousands of innocent victims is always better than saving one terrorist.

Of course, if torture is not found to be an effective mechanism for extracting information, we should discontinue it. And its not a black and white thing. But in extenuating circumstances, I cant help but think it may be justified.

Anonymous said...

I might add- when I say extenuating circumstances, I mean extenuating.

This will raise the question of abuse of rights; etc- who defines extenuating? We should have a strict program of defining extentuating as well- a hotline to the PResident who is the only one who can approve/ disapprove of such means. That will provide accountability.

Lifetune said...

The people paying the price of the Bush Administration's power excesses are not just the people being protected (ostensibly the Americans) but also people outside America (Iraq anyone? And now potentially Iran?). And the reality is that in their power grab, the administration has been dishonest about the real extent to which freedoms have been infringed upon - the wiretapping, torture policy etc were revealed not by the government but unearthed by reporters.


Finally, I get the shoot down the airliner before it kills hundreds of people argument (which you didn't bring up but which I agree with). I even get the extenuating circumstance argument (but which I don't agree with). But I don't get how you think, after all that has happened, that someone like Bush would be a good judge of when circumstances are extenuating or not, specially where torture is concerned.

Unless you're banking on the fact that he'll soon be gone - and that no one like him is ever going to be elected to the Presidency again. If so - good luck with that assumption.

Anonymous said...

Am fully with you on the dishonesty of Bush's govt in not revealing the price. That was unforgivable.

Even assuming he was honest with us, though, that still doesnt take away the "shoot down the airliner" argument (whch i implied) or the Extenuating circumstance argument. And thats where we disagree. Moving away from just the Bush administatrion, I still think there is a case for these two.

As the president of the USA, his job is to secure the people of the USA first; not worry about lives lost in Iraq or Iran.

I do get the issues with the extenuating circumstances argument (abuse of it). But I still dont see that as reason enough to do away with it altogether; protectng americans vs protectig terrorists- the choice is still clear to me.
Of course, whether torture protects americans or not is of course, a debatable question and thats where I think we should center the argument around. The objective is still the same.

(I guess I am in the end justifies the means category while u'r in tne oppostie)

Anonymous said...

btw- think you shuld do a post on Walmart next. you seem to be one of their many critics- that should be an interesting point to debate! I think no one has done as much as Walmart to lift millions out of poverty and help the underprivileged.

Lifetune said...

Btw, Thanx for the extensive arguments that you're posting in response to the post. And I really appreciate your keeping the comments out of the shrillness decibel level.

I agree we're in different camps on the torture issue - and I admit there've been times when I've thought maybe extenuating-circumstances-torture is OK, before deciding that you haev to start with a blanket ban and that that can be the only official position.

Here's a question for you though - by the same yardstick you'd be OK with American soldiers being tortured by say the Iranians in a future war, right? Because clearly from their pov there would be extenuating circumstances (Iran will be on the brink of defeat in any future war with the US)and I'm pretty sure Ahmadinejad would approve torture for information that US soldiers could provide....

As for the WalMart impact on societies - maybe I shall write about them - I'm actually not against WalMart. I just think that they took their Always Low Prices business model too far - because of sheer intellectual laziness - to the point that it started generating negative effects (and I'm not sure that they're all externalized)

Lifetune said...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21065954/

I think Clinton on Sunday's Meet the Press summarized what I think about the torture policy -

MR. CLINTON: Yeah. You know, I, I went back and read the whole transcript, and, as general point, I think she’s right. That is I think America’s policy should be to oppose torture, to honor the Geneva Conventions for several reasons. One is, it’s almost always counterproductive. If you beat somebody up, they’ll tell you what they want to hear. Two is, it, it really hurts us in the rest of the world and helps to recruit other terrorists. And thirdly, it makes our own people vulnerable to torture.

You know, there’s a one in a million chance that you might be alone somewhere, and you’re Jack Bauer on “24.” That’s the Jack Bauer example, right? It happens every season with Jack Bauer, but to—in the real world it doesn’t happen very much. If you have a policy which legitimizes this, it’s a slippery slope and you get in the kind of trouble we’ve been in here with Abu Ghraib, with Guantanamo, with lots of other examples.

And I’m not even sure what I said is right now. I think what happens is the honest truth is that Tim Russert, Bill Clinton, people filming this show, if we were the Jack Bauer person and it was six hours to the bomb or whatever, you don’t know what you would do, and you have to—but I think what our policy ought to be is to be uncompromisingly opposed to terror—I mean to torture, and that if you’re the Jack Bauer person, you’ll do whatever you do and you should be prepared to take the consequences. And I think the consequences will be imposed based on what turns out to be the truth. I think there are a lot of areas in life where you don’t. But I, I loved how she handled this whole thing. I guess you want to show the rest now.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the link- yes, I AM ok with americans being tortured (i hate you making me say this!!! :)) in another country conceptually- simply because that country is protecting their folks just like we protect ours. BUT- let me qualify this- "American terrorists".
I'm not saying we should allow torture unilaterally to get info out of soldiers or prisoners of war. There's a big difference between the military and terrorism. The military is two sides choosing to and KNOWING they're getting into war; knowing the costs involved. Terrorism is mad people on one side and Innocent victims on the other. War should be "fair"- in that you'd honour the opponents dead and treat their prisoners like you would your own. Terrorism by definition is not fair.
If I had to choose between torturing a terrorist vs saving innocent people who have no CLUE of the danger they're in, the choice is clear to me. In any other situation, I'd agree with you, but this.

The difference is really the price we are willing to pay.

I still come from the "six hours to a bomb attack" point of view- and frankly those are the only circumstances I could think of as extenuating. And really, all the evidence points to torture not being effective so this is a moot point...we're probably best outlawing it completely if the evidence points to the same.

BUT- once again, conceptually, in a 6 hours to a bomb attack or plane crash scenario, I would still be ok with authorized people using torture if they think they can save thousands of civilians.

Anonymous said...

Oh, and I dont think our torture methods or approval will have any impact on Ahmadejinad's policies on torturing americans in a futrue war- thats almost a given, isnt it! :)

The question is really whether we should condone it or not in our part of the world.

TZP said...

Love that post. Really well written and articulated. were you feeling melancholy?:) The world today certainly depresses the heck out of me. Did you know that Syria & Jordan have closed their doors to Iraqi refugees? Meanwhile the US has taken a total of 800 in. 800!!!! There are about 50000 accomodated in Jordan alone.
I write better when I am angsty too and theres a lot of angst nowadays.
I think my blog got taken off the India blogs thing. I keep changing my counters :)

Anonymous said...

Hm...interesting exchange. the two things that popped up were
1. President Bush being the ultimate decision maker judge. that scared me. who next, the pope? really?
2. Its ok to torture other citizens if it will save American lives. And that’s a big if. I cringe at the very thought that American lives are worth more than others. Whatever happened to 'Im a child of the universe.'

Torture is a bad methodology to extract information to start with. If someone tortured me, I would say whatever it took to make them stop even if that meant pleading guilty to having murdered 15 billion people in the last year. Torture is stupid. Spying....now there is something worth trusting. :) I believe that as long as you are not emotionally connected to the person you are spying on you can still be objective about the spying. But it needs to be monitored, since people are obviously going to intimidate or terrorize if possible using spying as a tool. So get a judge’s permission or don’t do it. Presidents haven’t shown the best judgment in the past and they still need to fight re-election. So they have a vested interest in intimidating folks.

Also, our enemies may use underhanded ways, but if we resort to them too, how does that make us better than them? Its only when we still follow better ways, that our way of life becomes a better way of life. Now, if we were about to be overrun by barbarians, I would take a stand like a barbarian. But the US is hardly in a position to be overrun anytime soon or in danger of being destroyed. So I believe stooping is not the right thing to do at this time.

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